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	<title>Comments on: Bike Lanes</title>
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	<description>Cycling skills, good roads, public awareness.</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 04:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MikeOnBike</title>
		<link>http://bicycledriving.org/bikeways/bike-lanes#comment-5404</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeOnBike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 23:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tony, I agree there needs to be more awareness that bicycle drivers generally have the same rights and responsibilities as motor vehicle drivers.  That includes turning left from the left turn lane, for example.  Or having the right to use an entire lane, if it's too narrow to share with another driver.

All drivers should be watching for all other drivers, regardless of vehicle type.  That's much easier if all drivers are following the same rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tony, I agree there needs to be more awareness that bicycle drivers generally have the same rights and responsibilities as motor vehicle drivers.  That includes turning left from the left turn lane, for example.  Or having the right to use an entire lane, if it&#8217;s too narrow to share with another driver.</p>
<p>All drivers should be watching for all other drivers, regardless of vehicle type.  That&#8217;s much easier if all drivers are following the same rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://bicycledriving.org/bikeways/bike-lanes#comment-5400</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there should be more public awareness concerning bikes and cars.  I see more and more bikes in the "left turn lane" along with the cars.  Some of these people will even be in the center of the lane as if they were driving a motor vehicle.  If the law allows this, than it should be known.  In Southern California is happens quite often.  I have to watch for motorcycles, now I have to be aware of "Bikes".  I think they should stay in the bike lane.  "BANC"  Bikes are not cars!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there should be more public awareness concerning bikes and cars.  I see more and more bikes in the &#8220;left turn lane&#8221; along with the cars.  Some of these people will even be in the center of the lane as if they were driving a motor vehicle.  If the law allows this, than it should be known.  In Southern California is happens quite often.  I have to watch for motorcycles, now I have to be aware of &#8220;Bikes&#8221;.  I think they should stay in the bike lane.  &#8220;BANC&#8221;  Bikes are not cars!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Gregory Price</title>
		<link>http://bicycledriving.org/bikeways/bike-lanes#comment-4880</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregory Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 10:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi

You say: "The UK has both advisory cycle lanes (use not required) and compulsory cycle lanes (use required)".  This is incorrect.

With mandatory  (not compulsory) cycle lanes it is mandatory for motor vehicle to keep out of the lane - not for cyclists to use them.  Mandatory cycle lanes are marked by solid lines.

Advisory cycle lanes are marked by dashed lines and motor vehicles can enter them if a cyclist in not in them.

In the UK it is not compulsory for cyclists to use any cycle facilities such as cycle lanes.  Cyclists have the right to use any road (except motorways).

Hope this helps.

Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi</p>
<p>You say: &#8220;The UK has both advisory cycle lanes (use not required) and compulsory cycle lanes (use required)&#8221;.  This is incorrect.</p>
<p>With mandatory  (not compulsory) cycle lanes it is mandatory for motor vehicle to keep out of the lane - not for cyclists to use them.  Mandatory cycle lanes are marked by solid lines.</p>
<p>Advisory cycle lanes are marked by dashed lines and motor vehicles can enter them if a cyclist in not in them.</p>
<p>In the UK it is not compulsory for cyclists to use any cycle facilities such as cycle lanes.  Cyclists have the right to use any road (except motorways).</p>
<p>Hope this helps.</p>
<p>Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Grant</title>
		<link>http://bicycledriving.org/bikeways/bike-lanes#comment-4428</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like to give my 2 cent worth. The general bashing of bike lanes, is dated and result of some decades old designs.  Much has been learned. 

In area of Sunnyvale, CA, newer bike lanes are marked and signed that near intersections cars are to merge into the wide bike lane to turn right.  IN fact at Fremont Ave and Hwy 85 the bike lane is left of the right turn lane, where it should be.  

The real value of bike lanes is to segregate modes of traffic by their speed.  In every state of the union, being picky it is unlawful to impede traffic, be you in a tractor, car or bike, if you have some many behind your vehicle (be it car, tractor or bike), you are to pull over.   Bike lanes avoid that necessity.  The safety issue for all is lane changes especially brought out with impatience cause all type of accidents, especially in cars and trucks blind spots, not just affecting bikers.  Bike lanes of busy streets improves car traffic volume capacity.

Another issue about bike lanes is in areas of high curb activity as in a commercial strip mall street, car drivers just do not notice someone in bike lanes.   That is a street design issue, that perhaps some areas should not have bike lanes, till the street layout is fixed. If there is high curb activity, then speed limits, should be fairly low, 30 MPH, more conducive to taking the lane, and safer merging of cars into car traffic too..

To claim that bike lanes are wrong and bad because local designs and driver familiarity is not up to date, or well thought out enough is folly. It leaves bikers with stone age facilities.   In our area there are many excellent bike lanes, with very few curb entrances, designed well that right hooks are very rare on these well designed bike lanes.  

(frankly I have more concerns about right hooks even taking the lane with impatient drivers on some 6 lane streets without bike lanes we have here - for those bad drivers the only solution is for all bikers to get their tag numbers and call the police, our police are very good in talking with those who drive unsafely, it seem to work for the most part.)

The best resource on appropriate deign of bike lanes I have seen so far (there are likely better ones) is the London Cycling Design Standards

Regards
P Grant Sunnyvale ,CA, USA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to give my 2 cent worth. The general bashing of bike lanes, is dated and result of some decades old designs.  Much has been learned. </p>
<p>In area of Sunnyvale, CA, newer bike lanes are marked and signed that near intersections cars are to merge into the wide bike lane to turn right.  IN fact at Fremont Ave and Hwy 85 the bike lane is left of the right turn lane, where it should be.  </p>
<p>The real value of bike lanes is to segregate modes of traffic by their speed.  In every state of the union, being picky it is unlawful to impede traffic, be you in a tractor, car or bike, if you have some many behind your vehicle (be it car, tractor or bike), you are to pull over.   Bike lanes avoid that necessity.  The safety issue for all is lane changes especially brought out with impatience cause all type of accidents, especially in cars and trucks blind spots, not just affecting bikers.  Bike lanes of busy streets improves car traffic volume capacity.</p>
<p>Another issue about bike lanes is in areas of high curb activity as in a commercial strip mall street, car drivers just do not notice someone in bike lanes.   That is a street design issue, that perhaps some areas should not have bike lanes, till the street layout is fixed. If there is high curb activity, then speed limits, should be fairly low, 30 MPH, more conducive to taking the lane, and safer merging of cars into car traffic too..</p>
<p>To claim that bike lanes are wrong and bad because local designs and driver familiarity is not up to date, or well thought out enough is folly. It leaves bikers with stone age facilities.   In our area there are many excellent bike lanes, with very few curb entrances, designed well that right hooks are very rare on these well designed bike lanes.  </p>
<p>(frankly I have more concerns about right hooks even taking the lane with impatient drivers on some 6 lane streets without bike lanes we have here - for those bad drivers the only solution is for all bikers to get their tag numbers and call the police, our police are very good in talking with those who drive unsafely, it seem to work for the most part.)</p>
<p>The best resource on appropriate deign of bike lanes I have seen so far (there are likely better ones) is the London Cycling Design Standards</p>
<p>Regards<br />
P Grant Sunnyvale ,CA, USA</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Oswald</title>
		<link>http://bicycledriving.org/bikeways/bike-lanes#comment-2850</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Oswald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slight correction for your statement above "a bike lane should not be adjacent to on-street parking unless the entire lane is more than 1 m (3 ft) from the edge of the cars."  Since car door "stickout" can be slightly in excess of 4 feet, 3' is not enough separation (although this is more than is usually provided).

The comment by Jerry Foster is typical of "bicycle advocates."  He may as well have said "forget safety, cyclists are pawns and we need more of them."

A more responsible way to encourage cycling is to teach cyclists how to do it properly.  This will enhance the safety, the effectiveness and the enjoyment of cycling.   People taught properly will want to do it more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slight correction for your statement above &#8220;a bike lane should not be adjacent to on-street parking unless the entire lane is more than 1 m (3 ft) from the edge of the cars.&#8221;  Since car door &#8220;stickout&#8221; can be slightly in excess of 4 feet, 3&#8242; is not enough separation (although this is more than is usually provided).</p>
<p>The comment by Jerry Foster is typical of &#8220;bicycle advocates.&#8221;  He may as well have said &#8220;forget safety, cyclists are pawns and we need more of them.&#8221;</p>
<p>A more responsible way to encourage cycling is to teach cyclists how to do it properly.  This will enhance the safety, the effectiveness and the enjoyment of cycling.   People taught properly will want to do it more.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry Foster</title>
		<link>http://bicycledriving.org/bikeways/bike-lanes#comment-2685</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe bike lanes encourage use by less-experienced bicyclists, and therefore are to be encouraged generally.  I don't believe we have sufficiently developed the design of bike lanes, however, to account for all the potential dangers, such as the ones discussed on this page.  Positive innovations must be developed and tested, such as the colorization of bike lanes, dotted-line lanes through intersections, etc. to advance the safety and usefulness of bicycle transportation.

I don't believe disappearing bike lanes at intersections is a such a positive innovation, however, as it appears to me to be a response to the legal liability faced by otherwise responsible municipal authorities.  

Let's keep improving bike lanes to encourage use by bicyclists of all ages and abilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe bike lanes encourage use by less-experienced bicyclists, and therefore are to be encouraged generally.  I don&#8217;t believe we have sufficiently developed the design of bike lanes, however, to account for all the potential dangers, such as the ones discussed on this page.  Positive innovations must be developed and tested, such as the colorization of bike lanes, dotted-line lanes through intersections, etc. to advance the safety and usefulness of bicycle transportation.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe disappearing bike lanes at intersections is a such a positive innovation, however, as it appears to me to be a response to the legal liability faced by otherwise responsible municipal authorities.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s keep improving bike lanes to encourage use by bicyclists of all ages and abilities.</p>
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		<title>By: John S. Allen</title>
		<link>http://bicycledriving.org/bikeways/bike-lanes#comment-1609</link>
		<dc:creator>John S. Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jan 2009 03:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The bicyclist in the photo is not on Charles River Road, but on North Beacon Street eastbound, turning left onto Greenough Boulevard. This location is particularly dangerous for a left turn from the right side of the road because the arched bridge (in the background of the photo) restricts sight lines. As it takes more time to cross from the right side, there is not time to yield to a motor vehicle coming across the bridge when turning left, other than by turning left in the vehicular style from the center of the roadway. See other examples of unsafe crossings at the same location at http://john-s-allen.com/galleries/pdwnorth/slides/nbeaconbr.html and the following two pages in my photo album.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bicyclist in the photo is not on Charles River Road, but on North Beacon Street eastbound, turning left onto Greenough Boulevard. This location is particularly dangerous for a left turn from the right side of the road because the arched bridge (in the background of the photo) restricts sight lines. As it takes more time to cross from the right side, there is not time to yield to a motor vehicle coming across the bridge when turning left, other than by turning left in the vehicular style from the center of the roadway. See other examples of unsafe crossings at the same location at <a href="http://john-s-allen.com/galleries/pdwnorth/slides/nbeaconbr.html" rel="nofollow">http://john-s-allen.com/galleries/pdwnorth/slides/nbeaconbr.html</a> and the following two pages in my photo album.</p>
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