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		<title>Comment on Oh, Freedom by Lyle</title>
		<link>http://bicycledriving.org/roads/oh-freedom/comment-page-1#comment-2795</link>
		<dc:creator>Lyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they were only paved over, they will reappear every March.  I can show you some streetcar tracks in Pittsburgh that have been paved over for at least twenty years, maybe fifty. They come back every spring, just like the crocuses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they were only paved over, they will reappear every March.  I can show you some streetcar tracks in Pittsburgh that have been paved over for at least twenty years, maybe fifty. They come back every spring, just like the crocuses.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Motorists Should Know by SiteAdmin</title>
		<link>http://bicycledriving.org/public-awareness/motorists-should-know/comment-page-1#comment-2701</link>
		<dc:creator>SiteAdmin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 12:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;dude&quot; helpfully points out a frequent misconception: speed limits are maximums, not minimums. In some places the bicyclists might be the only ones obeying the speed rules. Enough said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;dude&#8221; helpfully points out a frequent misconception: speed limits are maximums, not minimums. In some places the bicyclists might be the only ones obeying the speed rules. Enough said.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Motorists Should Know by dude</title>
		<link>http://bicycledriving.org/public-awareness/motorists-should-know/comment-page-1#comment-2698</link>
		<dc:creator>dude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2009 03:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no problem with bicycles on the road, AS LONG AS THEY ARE TRAVELING AT THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT, nuff said, end of discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem with bicycles on the road, AS LONG AS THEY ARE TRAVELING AT THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT, nuff said, end of discussion.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Guide to Improving Laws by Jerry Foster</title>
		<link>http://bicycledriving.org/law/guide-to-improving-laws/comment-page-1#comment-2693</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Jun 2009 15:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI - NJ&#039;s helmet law now requires them for persons under age 17.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI &#8211; NJ&#8217;s helmet law now requires them for persons under age 17.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Bike Lanes by Jerry Foster</title>
		<link>http://bicycledriving.org/bikeways/bike-lanes/comment-page-1#comment-2685</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe bike lanes encourage use by less-experienced bicyclists, and therefore are to be encouraged generally.  I don&#039;t believe we have sufficiently developed the design of bike lanes, however, to account for all the potential dangers, such as the ones discussed on this page.  Positive innovations must be developed and tested, such as the colorization of bike lanes, dotted-line lanes through intersections, etc. to advance the safety and usefulness of bicycle transportation.

I don&#039;t believe disappearing bike lanes at intersections is a such a positive innovation, however, as it appears to me to be a response to the legal liability faced by otherwise responsible municipal authorities.  

Let&#039;s keep improving bike lanes to encourage use by bicyclists of all ages and abilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe bike lanes encourage use by less-experienced bicyclists, and therefore are to be encouraged generally.  I don&#8217;t believe we have sufficiently developed the design of bike lanes, however, to account for all the potential dangers, such as the ones discussed on this page.  Positive innovations must be developed and tested, such as the colorization of bike lanes, dotted-line lanes through intersections, etc. to advance the safety and usefulness of bicycle transportation.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe disappearing bike lanes at intersections is a such a positive innovation, however, as it appears to me to be a response to the legal liability faced by otherwise responsible municipal authorities.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s keep improving bike lanes to encourage use by bicyclists of all ages and abilities.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Dilemmas of Bicycle Planning by Jerry Foster</title>
		<link>http://bicycledriving.org/about/the-dilemmas-of-bicycle-planning/comment-page-1#comment-2684</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry Foster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great paper - well reasoned and informative, unlike the web sites of so many other advocacy organizations, even though I agree with them.

I&#039;m interested in finding out if any controlled studies have been done to determine the factors contributing to the increased risk associated with bike lanes and/or trails.  It is counter-intuitive to me that they should be more dangerous, although I can see that if many more inexperienced cyclists use them, they may appear so, at least statistically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great paper &#8211; well reasoned and informative, unlike the web sites of so many other advocacy organizations, even though I agree with them.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m interested in finding out if any controlled studies have been done to determine the factors contributing to the increased risk associated with bike lanes and/or trails.  It is counter-intuitive to me that they should be more dangerous, although I can see that if many more inexperienced cyclists use them, they may appear so, at least statistically.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sidepaths by Richard C Moeur</title>
		<link>http://bicycledriving.org/bikeways/sidepaths/comment-page-1#comment-2648</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard C Moeur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 21:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Signal phasing may not mitigate the conflicts at sidepath intersections, as the signal phase given to bicyclists on the path may be so short (to avoid excessive delay for road users) as to create severe delay for path users (or more likely, path users will ignore the signal, as observed in Montreal). Special devices such as rapid-flash beacons triggered by passive detection could be effective in changing conflict behavior, but are as yet untested, are expensive, and would need to be installed at every crossing street and driveway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Signal phasing may not mitigate the conflicts at sidepath intersections, as the signal phase given to bicyclists on the path may be so short (to avoid excessive delay for road users) as to create severe delay for path users (or more likely, path users will ignore the signal, as observed in Montreal). Special devices such as rapid-flash beacons triggered by passive detection could be effective in changing conflict behavior, but are as yet untested, are expensive, and would need to be installed at every crossing street and driveway.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Motorists Should Know by Life And Death</title>
		<link>http://bicycledriving.org/public-awareness/motorists-should-know/comment-page-1#comment-2643</link>
		<dc:creator>Life And Death</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 01:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a life and death issue. 

Some bicyclists break laws a lot (and often shouldn&#039;t).

Most motorists in Minneapolis drive unsafely. 

And then people get upon these message boards and try justifying this stuff. Op- ed pieces are written about how &quot;Bikes should get off the road&quot; and &quot;I&#039;m going to run you over&quot;. Cut it out, damnit. People are dying here (in Minneapolis a biker was killed today May 20; elsewhere in MN a biker was killed May 16, 2009; fatalities happen nearly every month. We who pay attention know people are dying.) 

Motorists who take that cavalier attitude are basically homicides waiting to happen. Your cool intellectual analysis doesn&#039;t clear your blame, and your &quot;get off my roads or else&quot; attitude makes people wish you were dead instead of your next victim. You&#039;re going to kill a human being. 

You should know by now this is not the way, tsk, tsk. If you want to be killing people you&#039;re, um, wrong. 

But who knows, maybe you&#039;re right bicycles don&#039;t belong on the road. Same thing with pedestrians crossing the road, motorcycles, mopeds, subcompact cars, Amish buggies, cops on bikes, joggers, etc. It could be argued that people who might fall to harm or death (ie all people) should be prohibited from being on the road. 

Do bicyclists have to start carrying firearms to protect themselves? Motorists are trying to hit us. Really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a life and death issue. </p>
<p>Some bicyclists break laws a lot (and often shouldn&#8217;t).</p>
<p>Most motorists in Minneapolis drive unsafely. </p>
<p>And then people get upon these message boards and try justifying this stuff. Op- ed pieces are written about how &#8220;Bikes should get off the road&#8221; and &#8220;I&#8217;m going to run you over&#8221;. Cut it out, damnit. People are dying here (in Minneapolis a biker was killed today May 20; elsewhere in MN a biker was killed May 16, 2009; fatalities happen nearly every month. We who pay attention know people are dying.) </p>
<p>Motorists who take that cavalier attitude are basically homicides waiting to happen. Your cool intellectual analysis doesn&#8217;t clear your blame, and your &#8220;get off my roads or else&#8221; attitude makes people wish you were dead instead of your next victim. You&#8217;re going to kill a human being. </p>
<p>You should know by now this is not the way, tsk, tsk. If you want to be killing people you&#8217;re, um, wrong. </p>
<p>But who knows, maybe you&#8217;re right bicycles don&#8217;t belong on the road. Same thing with pedestrians crossing the road, motorcycles, mopeds, subcompact cars, Amish buggies, cops on bikes, joggers, etc. It could be argued that people who might fall to harm or death (ie all people) should be prohibited from being on the road. </p>
<p>Do bicyclists have to start carrying firearms to protect themselves? Motorists are trying to hit us. Really.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Motorists Should Know by Informed Motorist</title>
		<link>http://bicycledriving.org/public-awareness/motorists-should-know/comment-page-1#comment-2447</link>
		<dc:creator>Informed Motorist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 07:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are some uninformed motorists who don&#039;t notice bicycles or believe that their size gives them the right of way. Bikes are small and hard to notice. It might improve over time, but there will always be ignorant people.

The biker should take responsibility for safety. Motorists should too, but many won&#039;t. 

-- know that some of the cars have &quot;Uninformed Motorists&quot; and watch out for them
-- stay off the sidewalk where it is harder to be seen at cross walks, and easy to run over pedestrians.
-- have a mirror and watch out for vehicles passing too closely
-- stay alert, be prepared to stop if you get cut-off, and slow down at intersections.
 
When motorists claim that bikes are walking path toys that should stay off the roads they are not selfish. They have not fully considered the benefits of cycling, and don&#039;t realize that bikes are also a practical form of transportation. Bikes are better than cars in some cases. Bikes don&#039;t pollute, are easy to park, are efficient and low cost, and are faster where there is lots of traffic. 

If informed motorists can not be convinced that bicycles should be on the road I suppose that their vehicle makes them feel powerful and putting down bikes helps them feel better about their time spent in traffic jams, pollution, fuel costs and/or obesity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are some uninformed motorists who don&#8217;t notice bicycles or believe that their size gives them the right of way. Bikes are small and hard to notice. It might improve over time, but there will always be ignorant people.</p>
<p>The biker should take responsibility for safety. Motorists should too, but many won&#8217;t. </p>
<p>&#8211; know that some of the cars have &#8220;Uninformed Motorists&#8221; and watch out for them<br />
&#8211; stay off the sidewalk where it is harder to be seen at cross walks, and easy to run over pedestrians.<br />
&#8211; have a mirror and watch out for vehicles passing too closely<br />
&#8211; stay alert, be prepared to stop if you get cut-off, and slow down at intersections.</p>
<p>When motorists claim that bikes are walking path toys that should stay off the roads they are not selfish. They have not fully considered the benefits of cycling, and don&#8217;t realize that bikes are also a practical form of transportation. Bikes are better than cars in some cases. Bikes don&#8217;t pollute, are easy to park, are efficient and low cost, and are faster where there is lots of traffic. </p>
<p>If informed motorists can not be convinced that bicycles should be on the road I suppose that their vehicle makes them feel powerful and putting down bikes helps them feel better about their time spent in traffic jams, pollution, fuel costs and/or obesity.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Motorists Should Know by IFcyclist</title>
		<link>http://bicycledriving.org/public-awareness/motorists-should-know/comment-page-1#comment-2440</link>
		<dc:creator>IFcyclist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 00:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aptly named &quot;Selfish Motorist&quot; states that the standard to be considered first is the likelihood of a fatality resulting from a vehicle. By this criterion, motor vehicles should be banned because they have a much higher likelihood of causing a fatality than a bicycle. Also, consider that in 2007 there were over 35,000 US motorist fatalities compared to about 700 cyclist fatalities. Again, if fatalities are the main factor then the largest impact is obtained by reducing motor-vehicle use.

The my-mass-is-bigger-than-your-mass approach to crash dynamics implied by &quot;Selfish Motorist&quot; is also a gross oversimplification. For one thing, a cyclist hit by a car absorbs only a small fraction of the energy originally possessed by the car. The forces and energies involved in two motor vehicles colliding are far higher and mitigate the protective features of the vehicle bodies (which is how you get 35,000 fatalities per year). In addition, the higher mass sometimes works against motorists. Motorists are often crushed between parts of their own vehicle body. Rollovers are a common crash type, and a bicycle rollover is not going to be as serious as a SUV rollover. Although less common, motorists also either burn or drown while trapped in their vehicles.

Crash data indicate that motorists, cyclists, and pedestrians all have roughly similar fatality rates that fall in the general range between 0.1 and 1.0 fatalities per million hours of travel. Motorcyclists, in contrast, are more like 10-15 fatalities per million hours. For reasons that are clearly not understood by &quot;Selfish Motorist&quot;, crash data also show that cyclists who use sidewalks are actually more likely to be hit by a motor vehicle than those using the road.

The real problem here is that motorists think a driver&#039;s license is a deed to the roadway when it really is just a permit to operate a piece of hazardous machinery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aptly named &#8220;Selfish Motorist&#8221; states that the standard to be considered first is the likelihood of a fatality resulting from a vehicle. By this criterion, motor vehicles should be banned because they have a much higher likelihood of causing a fatality than a bicycle. Also, consider that in 2007 there were over 35,000 US motorist fatalities compared to about 700 cyclist fatalities. Again, if fatalities are the main factor then the largest impact is obtained by reducing motor-vehicle use.</p>
<p>The my-mass-is-bigger-than-your-mass approach to crash dynamics implied by &#8220;Selfish Motorist&#8221; is also a gross oversimplification. For one thing, a cyclist hit by a car absorbs only a small fraction of the energy originally possessed by the car. The forces and energies involved in two motor vehicles colliding are far higher and mitigate the protective features of the vehicle bodies (which is how you get 35,000 fatalities per year). In addition, the higher mass sometimes works against motorists. Motorists are often crushed between parts of their own vehicle body. Rollovers are a common crash type, and a bicycle rollover is not going to be as serious as a SUV rollover. Although less common, motorists also either burn or drown while trapped in their vehicles.</p>
<p>Crash data indicate that motorists, cyclists, and pedestrians all have roughly similar fatality rates that fall in the general range between 0.1 and 1.0 fatalities per million hours of travel. Motorcyclists, in contrast, are more like 10-15 fatalities per million hours. For reasons that are clearly not understood by &#8220;Selfish Motorist&#8221;, crash data also show that cyclists who use sidewalks are actually more likely to be hit by a motor vehicle than those using the road.</p>
<p>The real problem here is that motorists think a driver&#8217;s license is a deed to the roadway when it really is just a permit to operate a piece of hazardous machinery.</p>
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