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		<title>By: Lyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lying with artists&#039; renderings.  Gee, I&#039;ve never seen that before. 

Now I know that when presented with a drawing, I should always pull out a ruler and check the scale.  

But how do we make the public care?  They just see pretty pictures and think that being picky about things like scales is pure pedantry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lying with artists&#8217; renderings.  Gee, I&#8217;ve never seen that before. </p>
<p>Now I know that when presented with a drawing, I should always pull out a ruler and check the scale.  </p>
<p>But how do we make the public care?  They just see pretty pictures and think that being picky about things like scales is pure pedantry.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayne Pein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayne Pein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff Paul.

I wrote at critique of the Cambridge study at:
http://bicyclingmatters.wordpress.com/critiques/dzbls-in-cambridge-ma/

and of the San Francisco Study at:
http://bicyclingmatters.wordpress.com/critiques/san-franciscos-shared-marking/

Both of these studies are junk science.

Wayne</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff Paul.</p>
<p>I wrote at critique of the Cambridge study at:<br />
<a href="http://bicyclingmatters.wordpress.com/critiques/dzbls-in-cambridge-ma/" rel="nofollow">http://bicyclingmatters.wordpress.com/critiques/dzbls-in-cambridge-ma/</a></p>
<p>and of the San Francisco Study at:<br />
<a href="http://bicyclingmatters.wordpress.com/critiques/san-franciscos-shared-marking/" rel="nofollow">http://bicyclingmatters.wordpress.com/critiques/san-franciscos-shared-marking/</a></p>
<p>Both of these studies are junk science.</p>
<p>Wayne</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Stidman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Stidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 03:49:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ya, but even if you put it at 11, which I don&#039;t agree with. There is still the fact that more people on average rode further from the cars than before the lane was striped. 

Obviously, you ride in the road, I ride in the road, but this is not about us. This is about everyone. If it moves everyone a bit further away from the doors, maybe we save a life somewhere down the line. 

This is about lives. I know you must believe in your position, but I hope you are open to new information. 

By the way, another cyclist got hit on Huntington today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya, but even if you put it at 11, which I don&#8217;t agree with. There is still the fact that more people on average rode further from the cars than before the lane was striped. </p>
<p>Obviously, you ride in the road, I ride in the road, but this is not about us. This is about everyone. If it moves everyone a bit further away from the doors, maybe we save a life somewhere down the line. </p>
<p>This is about lives. I know you must believe in your position, but I hope you are open to new information. </p>
<p>By the way, another cyclist got hit on Huntington today.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Schimek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Schimek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Apr 2010 03:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pete, I agree we should have &quot;a fair assessment of the facts.&quot; You&#039;re right, the Hampshire St study found that bicyclists were 2.4 inches further away from parked cars in the two lane + bike symbol configuration, 2.8 with the left stripe only, and 2.0 with the two stripes and no symbol. They say that the 3 different treatments &quot;were not significantly different from each other.&quot; I think what I initially wrote is a fair summary, but I will change it to 2.4 inches.

The important question is, were cyclists riding outside the door zone? But what&#039;s &quot;the door zone&quot;? The study cites the San Francisco Shared Lane Pavement Marking Study (http://www.sfmta.com/cms/uploadedfiles/dpt/bike/Bike_Plan/Shared%20Lane%20Marking%20Full%20Report-052404.pdf): &quot;Data gathered in the San Francisco study determined that the 85th percentile of car doors observed opened to 9’6” from the curb
(SFDPT data). Giving a 6” clear zone to the bicycle handlebar, the total width of the potential
door zone would be 10 feet.&quot; (top of p. 4) But Van Houten and Seiderman made a mistake. They calculate the door zone as the width from the curb to the (right edge of the) bicycle handlebar, but on the bottom of the same page they tell us that they are measuring &quot;The wheel path of bicycles in the roadway.&quot; In other words, they are not accounting for the width of the bicycle. The San Francisco study they cite assumes that bicycles are 2&#039;, and that the bicyclist&#039;s wheel should thus be a half-width (1 ft) farther from the curb, for a total of 11&#039; (including the same 6&quot; shy distance). This is all diagrammed in the image of the shared lane marking, which comes from the same SF study (http://bicycledriving.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/shared-lane-placement-from.gif).

So Von Houten and Seiderman are off by a foot. At one point in the discussion they implicitly acknowledge this: &quot;For cyclists to travel completely outside the full door zone, the left handle bar would be in the travel lane.&quot; Since the left bike lane stripe is 12&#039; from the curb, the cyclist&#039;s wheel would have to be a bit more than 11&#039; from the curb for a 2&#039; handlebar to be partly in the travel lane.

We have established that the bicycle wheel has to be 11 ft, not 10 ft, from the curb to be out of the door zone &lt;strong&gt;by their own definition&lt;/strong&gt; with correction for failure to account for the width of the bicycle. Now go look at the figures showing distribution of bicyclist wheel position. Very few are to the right of the 11&#039; mark (the exact figures are not shown).

Moreover, as I said, you can make a strong case that the bicyclist should be at 12&#039; from the curb. Recall that the SF study reported only the 85% percentile of door extents. I would prefer to go with the 95th or even 99th, which would bring the odds of being with range to 1 in 20 or 1 in 100 instead of 1 in 7. Also bike handlebars can be more than 24&quot; wide.

Inexplicably, in the discussion Van Houten and Seiderman suddenly start talking about bicyclists &quot;9 and 10 feet from the curb.&quot; This allows them to show that 85% or more of the bicyclists in many of the recording locations were more than 9 ft from the curb. But this cutoff has no meaning, even using their own (erroneous) 10 ft limit. It would be nice if they calculated how many were more than 11 ft and how many more than 12 ft. You can eyeball this from the charts: very few were riding that far out.

I would love to see the data behind the NYC bike lane and cycle track stats you cite. I have also seen those figures, but not any description of what exactly is being compared.

I will post more about bike lanes and right turns later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete, I agree we should have &#8220;a fair assessment of the facts.&#8221; You&#8217;re right, the Hampshire St study found that bicyclists were 2.4 inches further away from parked cars in the two lane + bike symbol configuration, 2.8 with the left stripe only, and 2.0 with the two stripes and no symbol. They say that the 3 different treatments &#8220;were not significantly different from each other.&#8221; I think what I initially wrote is a fair summary, but I will change it to 2.4 inches.</p>
<p>The important question is, were cyclists riding outside the door zone? But what&#8217;s &#8220;the door zone&#8221;? The study cites the San Francisco Shared Lane Pavement Marking Study (<a href="http://www.sfmta.com/cms/uploadedfiles/dpt/bike/Bike_Plan/Shared%20Lane%20Marking%20Full%20Report-052404.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfmta.com/cms/uploadedfiles/dpt/bike/Bike_Plan/Shared%20Lane%20Marking%20Full%20Report-052404.pdf</a>): &#8220;Data gathered in the San Francisco study determined that the 85th percentile of car doors observed opened to 9’6” from the curb<br />
(SFDPT data). Giving a 6” clear zone to the bicycle handlebar, the total width of the potential<br />
door zone would be 10 feet.&#8221; (top of p. 4) But Van Houten and Seiderman made a mistake. They calculate the door zone as the width from the curb to the (right edge of the) bicycle handlebar, but on the bottom of the same page they tell us that they are measuring &#8220;The wheel path of bicycles in the roadway.&#8221; In other words, they are not accounting for the width of the bicycle. The San Francisco study they cite assumes that bicycles are 2&#8242;, and that the bicyclist&#8217;s wheel should thus be a half-width (1 ft) farther from the curb, for a total of 11&#8242; (including the same 6&#8243; shy distance). This is all diagrammed in the image of the shared lane marking, which comes from the same SF study (<a href="http://bicycledriving.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/shared-lane-placement-from.gif" rel="nofollow">http://bicycledriving.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/shared-lane-placement-from.gif</a>).</p>
<p>So Von Houten and Seiderman are off by a foot. At one point in the discussion they implicitly acknowledge this: &#8220;For cyclists to travel completely outside the full door zone, the left handle bar would be in the travel lane.&#8221; Since the left bike lane stripe is 12&#8242; from the curb, the cyclist&#8217;s wheel would have to be a bit more than 11&#8242; from the curb for a 2&#8242; handlebar to be partly in the travel lane.</p>
<p>We have established that the bicycle wheel has to be 11 ft, not 10 ft, from the curb to be out of the door zone <strong>by their own definition</strong> with correction for failure to account for the width of the bicycle. Now go look at the figures showing distribution of bicyclist wheel position. Very few are to the right of the 11&#8242; mark (the exact figures are not shown).</p>
<p>Moreover, as I said, you can make a strong case that the bicyclist should be at 12&#8242; from the curb. Recall that the SF study reported only the 85% percentile of door extents. I would prefer to go with the 95th or even 99th, which would bring the odds of being with range to 1 in 20 or 1 in 100 instead of 1 in 7. Also bike handlebars can be more than 24&#8243; wide.</p>
<p>Inexplicably, in the discussion Van Houten and Seiderman suddenly start talking about bicyclists &#8220;9 and 10 feet from the curb.&#8221; This allows them to show that 85% or more of the bicyclists in many of the recording locations were more than 9 ft from the curb. But this cutoff has no meaning, even using their own (erroneous) 10 ft limit. It would be nice if they calculated how many were more than 11 ft and how many more than 12 ft. You can eyeball this from the charts: very few were riding that far out.</p>
<p>I would love to see the data behind the NYC bike lane and cycle track stats you cite. I have also seen those figures, but not any description of what exactly is being compared.</p>
<p>I will post more about bike lanes and right turns later.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Stidman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Stidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A bit tired when I posted, I left a few things out. One is a crucial bit of evidence from Hampshire Street, which is by and large approximately the same width as the section of Centre Street where bike lanes are being considered——and that is that the addition of the bike lane increased the amount of riders who were more than 10 feet from the curb by 8 percent. 

Another point is on the health tip. A fellow named Lars Bo Anderson led a study called &quot;All-Cause Mortality Associated With Physical Activity During Leisure Time, Work, Sports, and Cycling to Work&quot; in Copenhagen, randomly selecting 6954 subjects, interviewing them, and then following up with death records a mean of 14.5 years later. 

They found that even after adjustment for other risk factors, including leisure time physical activity, those who did not cycle to work experienced a 39% higher mortality rate than those who did.

The interviews took place in the late 70s, which was right about when Copenhagen decided to start trying to get more people on bikes by building more bike lanes. 

And &quot;all-cause&quot; includes death by getting hit by a car. So the point is that overall, biking leads to longer lifespan, so the more people we get to do it the better, and bike lanes encourage people to do it. 

Of course, we still want to design lanes as safely as possible, and that is why I&#039;m looking forward to seeing the designs that the city&#039;s knowledgeable consultant brings forth. At that point we can have an informed discussion of how to mitigate any concerns we might have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A bit tired when I posted, I left a few things out. One is a crucial bit of evidence from Hampshire Street, which is by and large approximately the same width as the section of Centre Street where bike lanes are being considered——and that is that the addition of the bike lane increased the amount of riders who were more than 10 feet from the curb by 8 percent. </p>
<p>Another point is on the health tip. A fellow named Lars Bo Anderson led a study called &#8220;All-Cause Mortality Associated With Physical Activity During Leisure Time, Work, Sports, and Cycling to Work&#8221; in Copenhagen, randomly selecting 6954 subjects, interviewing them, and then following up with death records a mean of 14.5 years later. </p>
<p>They found that even after adjustment for other risk factors, including leisure time physical activity, those who did not cycle to work experienced a 39% higher mortality rate than those who did.</p>
<p>The interviews took place in the late 70s, which was right about when Copenhagen decided to start trying to get more people on bikes by building more bike lanes. </p>
<p>And &#8220;all-cause&#8221; includes death by getting hit by a car. So the point is that overall, biking leads to longer lifespan, so the more people we get to do it the better, and bike lanes encourage people to do it. </p>
<p>Of course, we still want to design lanes as safely as possible, and that is why I&#8217;m looking forward to seeing the designs that the city&#8217;s knowledgeable consultant brings forth. At that point we can have an informed discussion of how to mitigate any concerns we might have.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Stidman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Stidman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 06:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A great deal of information here, looks like you&#039;ve been cracking open the books. First I want to say that I respect much of the work that you have done, Paul, for the biking community, and your support of many of our great biking groups. 

What I have a hard time with is your consistent opposition to bike lanes not just on Centre Street here but also on every street it seems you&#039;ve ever commented on, including your successful opposition to bike lanes on the Rose Kennedy Greenway, and on Huntington Avenue. Correct? 

Also, I would appreciate a fair assessment of the facts. This should not be a contest of words, but of data. And I mean all the data, not just those that support one side of the argument. 

I encourage everyone to actually read the Hampshire Street Study at http://www.cambridgema.gov/~CDD/et/bike/bike_hamp_study.pdf . 

First, it&#039;s 2.4 inches further away, not 2, and that&#039;s merely the median (average) distance. It&#039;s clearly in the author&#039;s conclusion that a narrowing of the spread of distances was the significant finding. Namely, that far fewer people were riding very close to the doors. 

And when we talk about doors and the door zone, keep in mind that when you&#039;re on the street and a door opens, inches definitely count. I&#039;ve been there, I think we&#039;ve all been there where we say whew that was #%@! close! 

Then, you say &quot;85% to 90% continued to ride inside the door zone.&quot; But according to the histograms showing the distances for each street section in the study, the percentage of riders outside of the door zone was between 36.7 and 47.2 percent. The door zone in teh study was defined as 10 feet, as established by another study which found that 85 percent of doors opened to 9 foot 6 inches from the curb.

And did you consider that doors that are opening quickly are by definition not completely open? Again, an inch of distance is a safety improvement when you consider thousands of accidents over time. 

All of this to me indicates that you may be a bit biased in how you present this data to the wider public, or in how you read it.

This also goes for your citation of the British study &quot;The effect of cycle lanes on the proximity between motor traffic and cycle traffic&quot; which I also came across recently. This study showed that cars pass more tightly around cyclists. This finding is interesting, particularly on country roads without parking, like those it was held on. But crash data from the city of Cambridge (unfortunately Boston doesn&#039;t record bike crash data) shows that our biggest problems are dooring and right hand turns. 

Now, if we&#039;re going to be conjecturing, I&#039;d like to join in at this point. Doesn&#039;t it make sense that a motorist would see a bike lane and realize that they should a.) look back before opening their door b.) look back before taking a right turn. 

And of course all of this is before we consider what increasing the cycling rate will do for public health in terms of obesity, cardiovascular disease and all of the other ailments that are correlated to these. Even if a bike lane had the same amount of safety as no bike lane, we will have won in the bigger picture. 

The real health benefits from getting people to ride more often, and bike lanes are most often the first thing people say will help them ride more often or at all. This bears itself out in Portland and NYC as they are seeing big increases in their ridership long-term (the economy hit Portland this year) after building hundreds of miles of bike lanes. 

And to follow that up, both of those cities have seen their crash rates go down as ridership increased. 

There is no evidence out there that a city full of sharrows could do the same thing. 

Lastly, I&#039;d like to share some crash data from NYC&#039;s new bike lanes. These two streets are obviously very different from Centre, but I thought the improvements they are seeing there are very encouraging. 

Broadway – West 42nd Street to West 35th Street

    * Injuries to all street users down 50%
    * Reportable crashes down 49%
    * Injuries to pedestrians down 40%
    * Injuries to cyclists down 50%
    * Dates conducted: 8/1/05-1/31/08 &amp; 8/1/08 to 1/31/09

9th Avenue Complete Street – West 23rd Street to West 16th Street. 

    * Injuries to all street users down 56%
    * Reportable crashes down 48%
    * Injuries to pedestrians down 29%
    * Injuries to cyclists down 57%
    * Dates conducted: 12/1/04 to11/31/07 &amp; 12/1/07 to 11/30/08

Thanks all, and thanks Paul for posting this comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great deal of information here, looks like you&#8217;ve been cracking open the books. First I want to say that I respect much of the work that you have done, Paul, for the biking community, and your support of many of our great biking groups. </p>
<p>What I have a hard time with is your consistent opposition to bike lanes not just on Centre Street here but also on every street it seems you&#8217;ve ever commented on, including your successful opposition to bike lanes on the Rose Kennedy Greenway, and on Huntington Avenue. Correct? </p>
<p>Also, I would appreciate a fair assessment of the facts. This should not be a contest of words, but of data. And I mean all the data, not just those that support one side of the argument. </p>
<p>I encourage everyone to actually read the Hampshire Street Study at <a href="http://www.cambridgema.gov/~CDD/et/bike/bike_hamp_study.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cambridgema.gov/~CDD/et/bike/bike_hamp_study.pdf</a> . </p>
<p>First, it&#8217;s 2.4 inches further away, not 2, and that&#8217;s merely the median (average) distance. It&#8217;s clearly in the author&#8217;s conclusion that a narrowing of the spread of distances was the significant finding. Namely, that far fewer people were riding very close to the doors. </p>
<p>And when we talk about doors and the door zone, keep in mind that when you&#8217;re on the street and a door opens, inches definitely count. I&#8217;ve been there, I think we&#8217;ve all been there where we say whew that was #%@! close! </p>
<p>Then, you say &#8220;85% to 90% continued to ride inside the door zone.&#8221; But according to the histograms showing the distances for each street section in the study, the percentage of riders outside of the door zone was between 36.7 and 47.2 percent. The door zone in teh study was defined as 10 feet, as established by another study which found that 85 percent of doors opened to 9 foot 6 inches from the curb.</p>
<p>And did you consider that doors that are opening quickly are by definition not completely open? Again, an inch of distance is a safety improvement when you consider thousands of accidents over time. </p>
<p>All of this to me indicates that you may be a bit biased in how you present this data to the wider public, or in how you read it.</p>
<p>This also goes for your citation of the British study &#8220;The effect of cycle lanes on the proximity between motor traffic and cycle traffic&#8221; which I also came across recently. This study showed that cars pass more tightly around cyclists. This finding is interesting, particularly on country roads without parking, like those it was held on. But crash data from the city of Cambridge (unfortunately Boston doesn&#8217;t record bike crash data) shows that our biggest problems are dooring and right hand turns. </p>
<p>Now, if we&#8217;re going to be conjecturing, I&#8217;d like to join in at this point. Doesn&#8217;t it make sense that a motorist would see a bike lane and realize that they should a.) look back before opening their door b.) look back before taking a right turn. </p>
<p>And of course all of this is before we consider what increasing the cycling rate will do for public health in terms of obesity, cardiovascular disease and all of the other ailments that are correlated to these. Even if a bike lane had the same amount of safety as no bike lane, we will have won in the bigger picture. </p>
<p>The real health benefits from getting people to ride more often, and bike lanes are most often the first thing people say will help them ride more often or at all. This bears itself out in Portland and NYC as they are seeing big increases in their ridership long-term (the economy hit Portland this year) after building hundreds of miles of bike lanes. </p>
<p>And to follow that up, both of those cities have seen their crash rates go down as ridership increased. </p>
<p>There is no evidence out there that a city full of sharrows could do the same thing. </p>
<p>Lastly, I&#8217;d like to share some crash data from NYC&#8217;s new bike lanes. These two streets are obviously very different from Centre, but I thought the improvements they are seeing there are very encouraging. </p>
<p>Broadway – West 42nd Street to West 35th Street</p>
<p>    * Injuries to all street users down 50%<br />
    * Reportable crashes down 49%<br />
    * Injuries to pedestrians down 40%<br />
    * Injuries to cyclists down 50%<br />
    * Dates conducted: 8/1/05-1/31/08 &amp; 8/1/08 to 1/31/09</p>
<p>9th Avenue Complete Street – West 23rd Street to West 16th Street. </p>
<p>    * Injuries to all street users down 56%<br />
    * Reportable crashes down 48%<br />
    * Injuries to pedestrians down 29%<br />
    * Injuries to cyclists down 57%<br />
    * Dates conducted: 12/1/04 to11/31/07 &amp; 12/1/07 to 11/30/08</p>
<p>Thanks all, and thanks Paul for posting this comment.</p>
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		<title>By: danc</title>
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		<dc:creator>danc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 15:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul, excellent article! Thanks for the cite on &quot;Effect of cycle lanes on the proximity between motor traffic and cycle traffic&quot;, looks promising. 

Thanks for the comments (exception of Phil)!

@Phil: I don&#039;t understand if agree or disagree with the article&#039;s main point: Bike lanes on Jamaica Plain are questionable (dangerous to novice cyclists)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, excellent article! Thanks for the cite on &#8220;Effect of cycle lanes on the proximity between motor traffic and cycle traffic&#8221;, looks promising. </p>
<p>Thanks for the comments (exception of Phil)!</p>
<p>@Phil: I don&#8217;t understand if agree or disagree with the article&#8217;s main point: Bike lanes on Jamaica Plain are questionable (dangerous to novice cyclists)?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Lindsay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Mar 2010 05:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charlie You&#039;re right but your wrong. More riders won&#039;t use sharos as they won&#039;t get in the road and still ride in the door zone. It&#039;s that simple. A lane is ultimately safer than nothing, plus it gets more riders and helps improve perception and acceptance. I haven&#039;t followed the deal enough to comment anymore except to say that I think your work is undermining the process toward improving bicycling safety and acceptance in Boston.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charlie You&#8217;re right but your wrong. More riders won&#8217;t use sharos as they won&#8217;t get in the road and still ride in the door zone. It&#8217;s that simple. A lane is ultimately safer than nothing, plus it gets more riders and helps improve perception and acceptance. I haven&#8217;t followed the deal enough to comment anymore except to say that I think your work is undermining the process toward improving bicycling safety and acceptance in Boston.</p>
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		<title>By: David Traugot</title>
		<link>http://bicycledriving.org/roads/bike-lanes-for-jamaica-plain/comment-page-1#comment-6259</link>
		<dc:creator>David Traugot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 21:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a long time cyclist in Boston (early 1970s), I learned to ride on bike-unfriendly streets with no laws declaring our equal rights and responsibilities to follow traffic regulations.  Much later I found that the survival strategies I had developed over years were validated by the book &quot;Street Smarts&quot;.  There is no substitute for paying attention, watching like a hawk for movement in parked cars (look at their driver&#039;s side mirrors) and at side streets, knowing where the moving vehicles are around you (helmet or eyeglasses clip-on mirror), giving large, clear, accurate signals, and as far as possible asserting your right to as much space in the lane as you need to avoid all curbside dangers.  The biggest problem I see is indeed one of education, of cyclists and motorists alike.  Every September we are inundated by tens of thousands of out-of-state college students, most of whom have no clue about riding in and with traffic.  Part of the orientation process for area colleges and universities should be a primer on bicycle traffic laws; it might save me from getting hit while swerving to avoid an oncoming cyclist on the wrong side of the road...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a long time cyclist in Boston (early 1970s), I learned to ride on bike-unfriendly streets with no laws declaring our equal rights and responsibilities to follow traffic regulations.  Much later I found that the survival strategies I had developed over years were validated by the book &#8220;Street Smarts&#8221;.  There is no substitute for paying attention, watching like a hawk for movement in parked cars (look at their driver&#8217;s side mirrors) and at side streets, knowing where the moving vehicles are around you (helmet or eyeglasses clip-on mirror), giving large, clear, accurate signals, and as far as possible asserting your right to as much space in the lane as you need to avoid all curbside dangers.  The biggest problem I see is indeed one of education, of cyclists and motorists alike.  Every September we are inundated by tens of thousands of out-of-state college students, most of whom have no clue about riding in and with traffic.  Part of the orientation process for area colleges and universities should be a primer on bicycle traffic laws; it might save me from getting hit while swerving to avoid an oncoming cyclist on the wrong side of the road&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://bicycledriving.org/roads/bike-lanes-for-jamaica-plain/comment-page-1#comment-6258</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 21:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice work and sound arguments, Paul.  You&#039;re an experienced rider and a realist when it comes to bicycling in the city.  All city cyclists need skills and instruction; you really can&#039;t be safe, sadly, by just swinging a leg over and hoping for the best in a designated lane.  

Despite riding for many years, I went down pretty hard last fall when I had to swerve suddenly to avoid a door. As you say, I was on the far left of an imaginary &#039;lane&#039; (no markings existed) and was watching for heads in the driver&#039;s seat, but the driver&#039;s head must have been blocked by the headrest.  Luckily, there were no vehicles to my left.  And like Sage in the post above, the woman went crazy yelling at me.  I&#039;d like to think it was her fear - glad I didn&#039;t understand her Portugese.  

Your best comment:  &quot;When you create a bike lane you create an expectation that bicyclists will ride *in* it (an expectation often enforced outside the law by vigilantes and even police officers). When the dimensions are so tight that the only safe place to ride is halfway outside the bike lane, you are creating a contradiction. (”We’ve installed bike lanes here to make you safer — now learn to ride half way outside of them.”) &quot;

So please know that as a Boston native and someone who rides year round extensively on the roads of Boston and the burbs, the proposed lanes will only give some riders the illusion of safety - the illusion of safety.  Better to have the gore stripes, advise all riders to slow down and expect each car door to be a threat, and yes, avoid narrow arteries like Center St when possible.  I always take quieter roads, even if it means clipping in and out all the time.  Good luck with your initiative - will support you where I can.  Thank you for being a great neighbor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice work and sound arguments, Paul.  You&#8217;re an experienced rider and a realist when it comes to bicycling in the city.  All city cyclists need skills and instruction; you really can&#8217;t be safe, sadly, by just swinging a leg over and hoping for the best in a designated lane.  </p>
<p>Despite riding for many years, I went down pretty hard last fall when I had to swerve suddenly to avoid a door. As you say, I was on the far left of an imaginary &#8216;lane&#8217; (no markings existed) and was watching for heads in the driver&#8217;s seat, but the driver&#8217;s head must have been blocked by the headrest.  Luckily, there were no vehicles to my left.  And like Sage in the post above, the woman went crazy yelling at me.  I&#8217;d like to think it was her fear &#8211; glad I didn&#8217;t understand her Portugese.  </p>
<p>Your best comment:  &#8220;When you create a bike lane you create an expectation that bicyclists will ride *in* it (an expectation often enforced outside the law by vigilantes and even police officers). When the dimensions are so tight that the only safe place to ride is halfway outside the bike lane, you are creating a contradiction. (”We’ve installed bike lanes here to make you safer — now learn to ride half way outside of them.”) &#8221;</p>
<p>So please know that as a Boston native and someone who rides year round extensively on the roads of Boston and the burbs, the proposed lanes will only give some riders the illusion of safety &#8211; the illusion of safety.  Better to have the gore stripes, advise all riders to slow down and expect each car door to be a threat, and yes, avoid narrow arteries like Center St when possible.  I always take quieter roads, even if it means clipping in and out all the time.  Good luck with your initiative &#8211; will support you where I can.  Thank you for being a great neighbor.</p>
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